<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Positioning Racing &#8211; Perhaps for the First Time</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/</link>
	<description></description>
	<lastBuildDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:43:06 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sal Carcia</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Sal Carcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 11:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-110</guid>
		<description>The NTRA did act as a marketer of the game a few years ago. From what I saw they created a message and produced some audio and video advertising material which was used as base for all the NTRA tracks to use in their advertising campaigns.

I thought the &quot;Go Baby Go&quot; campaign was very catchy. The positioning of this ad could be debated, but more importantly it was a consistently used across the country. It did have some traction.

To me, &quot;Go Baby Go&quot; meant that the players were in the action in horseracing. This is also a nice positioning for the game.

The NTRA also did some follow up market research and I remember racing moving ahead of many other sports in the market rankings.

Did it bring more revenues? I am not sure, but this is where Dean&#039;s point comes in. 

The last campaign that the NTRA produced was the &quot;Who do you like today&quot; ads. It got a little play, but it seems that the NTRA was in its last stages of being the central message maker for the game.

This campaign was directly aimed at the idea of racing being a thinking person&#039;s game, IMO.

So, what does this all mean? Well, I thought the NTRA as the central message maker of our game was a good idea and it did work to a large extent. I think it would be wise for the racetracks to go back to that model. I think racing was on to something, but the racetracks gave up on the idea too quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NTRA did act as a marketer of the game a few years ago. From what I saw they created a message and produced some audio and video advertising material which was used as base for all the NTRA tracks to use in their advertising campaigns.</p>
<p>I thought the &#8220;Go Baby Go&#8221; campaign was very catchy. The positioning of this ad could be debated, but more importantly it was a consistently used across the country. It did have some traction.</p>
<p>To me, &#8220;Go Baby Go&#8221; meant that the players were in the action in horseracing. This is also a nice positioning for the game.</p>
<p>The NTRA also did some follow up market research and I remember racing moving ahead of many other sports in the market rankings.</p>
<p>Did it bring more revenues? I am not sure, but this is where Dean&#8217;s point comes in. </p>
<p>The last campaign that the NTRA produced was the &#8220;Who do you like today&#8221; ads. It got a little play, but it seems that the NTRA was in its last stages of being the central message maker for the game.</p>
<p>This campaign was directly aimed at the idea of racing being a thinking person&#8217;s game, IMO.</p>
<p>So, what does this all mean? Well, I thought the NTRA as the central message maker of our game was a good idea and it did work to a large extent. I think it would be wise for the racetracks to go back to that model. I think racing was on to something, but the racetracks gave up on the idea too quickly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TitleTown Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>TitleTown Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 03:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-109</guid>
		<description>&quot;Of course, not much of that exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist.&quot;

This also irritates me. Why are we running in the winter anywhere else but Florida, California, or Louisiana? For example, I don&#039;t see why NYRA can&#039;t run:

Aqueduct - March, April, November
Belmont - May, June, July, September, October
Saratoga - August

Why race in New York, Philadelphia, Illinois, or even Kentucky in December, January, and February? It makes absolutely no sense to run horse races in sub freezing weather and sometimes in the snow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course, not much of that exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist.&#8221;</p>
<p>This also irritates me. Why are we running in the winter anywhere else but Florida, California, or Louisiana? For example, I don&#8217;t see why NYRA can&#8217;t run:</p>
<p>Aqueduct &#8211; March, April, November<br />
Belmont &#8211; May, June, July, September, October<br />
Saratoga &#8211; August</p>
<p>Why race in New York, Philadelphia, Illinois, or even Kentucky in December, January, and February? It makes absolutely no sense to run horse races in sub freezing weather and sometimes in the snow.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sharp Comments on Positioning Racing &#8211; r2 collective</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharp Comments on Positioning Racing &#8211; r2 collective</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-107</guid>
		<description>[...] had some excellent comments on our &#8220;Positioning&#8221; article this week. In the article we put forth a premise that racing should position itself as a thinking person&#8217;s lottery, and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had some excellent comments on our &#8220;Positioning&#8221; article this week. In the article we put forth a premise that racing should position itself as a thinking person&#8217;s lottery, and [...]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Eric Poteck</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-106</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Poteck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 21:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-106</guid>
		<description>Right on Dean!
I wonder if the Industry has the ability to cooperate amongst them to achieve such a repositioning or would it require an Omni powerful leader who would dictate the plan?
My feeling is that given the mess in the US, it would require a Czar.  However, in Canada given Woodbine&#039;s near monopoly on the horse wagering dollar, I believe they have the power to reposition the game on their own.  With Nick Eaves moving into the driver’s seat at Woodbine, there is hope!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Dean!<br />
I wonder if the Industry has the ability to cooperate amongst them to achieve such a repositioning or would it require an Omni powerful leader who would dictate the plan?<br />
My feeling is that given the mess in the US, it would require a Czar.  However, in Canada given Woodbine&#8217;s near monopoly on the horse wagering dollar, I believe they have the power to reposition the game on their own.  With Nick Eaves moving into the driver’s seat at Woodbine, there is hope!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-105</guid>
		<description>While it is true that the puzzle aspect of the racetrack experience is compelling and motivating, other factors do drive some folks to visit and return. Some people enjoy a day in the fresh air, at a beautiful place, seeing people they know and like, all  the while trying to solve the puzzle. I wonder if the game (the puzzle) can long endure without people who are attracted to the look of the horse, the green of the grass, the electricity in the air. Of course, not much of that exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist. Sorry for the previous typo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is true that the puzzle aspect of the racetrack experience is compelling and motivating, other factors do drive some folks to visit and return. Some people enjoy a day in the fresh air, at a beautiful place, seeing people they know and like, all  the while trying to solve the puzzle. I wonder if the game (the puzzle) can long endure without people who are attracted to the look of the horse, the green of the grass, the electricity in the air. Of course, not much of that exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist. Sorry for the previous typo.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael Thomas</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-104</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-104</guid>
		<description>While it is true that the puzzle aspect of the racetrack experience is compelling and motivating, other factors do drive some folks to visit and return. Some people enjoy a day in the fresh air, at a beautiful place, seeing people they know and like, all  the while trying to solve the puzzle. I wonder if the game (the puzzle) can long endure without people who are attracted to the look of the horse, the green of the grass, the electricity in the air. Of course, not much of the exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is true that the puzzle aspect of the racetrack experience is compelling and motivating, other factors do drive some folks to visit and return. Some people enjoy a day in the fresh air, at a beautiful place, seeing people they know and like, all  the while trying to solve the puzzle. I wonder if the game (the puzzle) can long endure without people who are attracted to the look of the horse, the green of the grass, the electricity in the air. Of course, not much of the exists at Aqueduct in December, but some of us persist.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: TitleTown Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>TitleTown Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 08:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-103</guid>
		<description>^^^
Agree with Maury 100%. Well said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^<br />
Agree with Maury 100%. Well said.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Maury Ezra</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Maury Ezra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 03:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-102</guid>
		<description>The key to horse racing taking off is lower takeout so winners can be created.  Yes, this is a thinking person&#039;s game, but there are many free thinking person&#039;s games one can play on the internet for free these days.   They are capable of giving a person the same feeling of euphoria of winning a race.
The difference is that not only does horse racing need to appeal to the public as a thinking person&#039;s game, but one where a really top notch player can possibly make a living playing.
This is why online poker has achieved such success, and it could work with horse racing if The Price Is Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to horse racing taking off is lower takeout so winners can be created.  Yes, this is a thinking person&#8217;s game, but there are many free thinking person&#8217;s games one can play on the internet for free these days.   They are capable of giving a person the same feeling of euphoria of winning a race.<br />
The difference is that not only does horse racing need to appeal to the public as a thinking person&#8217;s game, but one where a really top notch player can possibly make a living playing.<br />
This is why online poker has achieved such success, and it could work with horse racing if The Price Is Right.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dean</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 22:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-101</guid>
		<description>Thanks for all the replies.  The interesting ideas and apparent pitfalls you folks injected into the post were well thought out and (imo) super-sharp. I would like to summarize them sometime this week in a post and maybe we can continue the discussion(?)

Thanks again.

D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the replies.  The interesting ideas and apparent pitfalls you folks injected into the post were well thought out and (imo) super-sharp. I would like to summarize them sometime this week in a post and maybe we can continue the discussion(?)</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>D</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: FourCats</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>FourCats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-100</guid>
		<description>Interesting ideas.  However, a major stumbling block is that horse racing, unlike the successful companies that you cite, is controlled by multiple entities with different agendas (state governments, racetrack owners, horse owners, horse trainers, etc.)  It is extremely difficult (though perhaps not impossible) to define a consistent message about horse racing when there is not just one &quot;management team&quot; in charge.  And, in my opinion, one of those entities (ie. state governments) does not really care if horse racing is successful but only care how much money they can squeeze from it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting ideas.  However, a major stumbling block is that horse racing, unlike the successful companies that you cite, is controlled by multiple entities with different agendas (state governments, racetrack owners, horse owners, horse trainers, etc.)  It is extremely difficult (though perhaps not impossible) to define a consistent message about horse racing when there is not just one &#8220;management team&#8221; in charge.  And, in my opinion, one of those entities (ie. state governments) does not really care if horse racing is successful but only care how much money they can squeeze from it.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Josh Potts</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-99</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Potts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-99</guid>
		<description>Dean,

Excellent post.  I agree with 99.99% of it.  The only part I disagree with is where you say: &quot;I believe the NTRA and others should work on an industry wide marketing program that filters from the top, all the way down to each track and organization.&quot;
 
First, let&#039;s put aside the difficulty of getting all the various track owners to go along with a top-down marketing program.  While the NTRA can certainly help with some components of an effective marketing program, the NTRA is in no position to perform a variety of marketing functions.  Sure, they can help with some industry-wide promotional items.  But they are poorly equipped to offer the product to racing&#039;s target market in each individual location where horse racing currently exists.  Furthermore, the NTRA is in no position to perform the customer service functions that are required to ensure customer delight, so that the customer keeps coming back for more.
 
As a result, I believe that tracks need to play a bigger role in offering their product to the consumer.  When the racetrack&#039;s sales &amp; marketing team knows who in their area they are targeting, they can more effectively present their offerings to the marketplace, and perform the often overlooked customer service functions.
 
Now, in addition to some industry-wide promotion, the NTRA can help with some market research.  After all, we need to know a great deal of information about these puzzlemasters: what do they read, how do they spend their free time, what products do they buy, what causes them to buy a product or service, what makes them spend/invest money, what do they watch on TV, what types of radio do they listen to, what do they do on the internet, etc. etc. etc.
 
Most importantly, finally someone has discussed the marketing of horse racing in a thoughtful, intelligent manner.  Well done Dean.  What can we as R2 Collective readers do to help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Excellent post.  I agree with 99.99% of it.  The only part I disagree with is where you say: &#8220;I believe the NTRA and others should work on an industry wide marketing program that filters from the top, all the way down to each track and organization.&#8221;</p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s put aside the difficulty of getting all the various track owners to go along with a top-down marketing program.  While the NTRA can certainly help with some components of an effective marketing program, the NTRA is in no position to perform a variety of marketing functions.  Sure, they can help with some industry-wide promotional items.  But they are poorly equipped to offer the product to racing&#8217;s target market in each individual location where horse racing currently exists.  Furthermore, the NTRA is in no position to perform the customer service functions that are required to ensure customer delight, so that the customer keeps coming back for more.</p>
<p>As a result, I believe that tracks need to play a bigger role in offering their product to the consumer.  When the racetrack&#8217;s sales &amp; marketing team knows who in their area they are targeting, they can more effectively present their offerings to the marketplace, and perform the often overlooked customer service functions.</p>
<p>Now, in addition to some industry-wide promotion, the NTRA can help with some market research.  After all, we need to know a great deal of information about these puzzlemasters: what do they read, how do they spend their free time, what products do they buy, what causes them to buy a product or service, what makes them spend/invest money, what do they watch on TV, what types of radio do they listen to, what do they do on the internet, etc. etc. etc.</p>
<p>Most importantly, finally someone has discussed the marketing of horse racing in a thoughtful, intelligent manner.  Well done Dean.  What can we as R2 Collective readers do to help?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Cavonnier</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Cavonnier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-98</guid>
		<description>Interesting read.  Here are some additional stumbling blocks racing faces: 

1. Racing currently cannot compete with what I believe to be its closest competitors--poker and sports betting--on price.  All things equal, wouldn&#039;t a rational consumer rather bet into a pot with a 5-10% rake, or bet with a bookie with a 10% vig?

2. Expert horseplayers stress the importance of &quot;value&quot;, but fixed odds on horse races aren&#039;t available to North American bettors.  A card sharp can calculate what the pot odds are and determine whether or not calling would be a sound bet.  A sports bettor knows he is getting four points or odds of +130.  A horseplayer, however, might think a horse has a one-in-three chance of winning and will make a wager on a horse at 5-2 because he thinks he is getting &quot;value&quot;, but might see the price plummet to 8-5 after the last round of money comes in.  At that price, the bettor is destined to lose money in the long run.

Perhaps racing&#039;s biggest advantage over those two forms of gambling is how easy (RELATIVELY SPEAKING) to make a large or even life-changing score.  While it is possible to have a windfall score in poker and sports betting, each race provides the chance to make a big hit.  It&#039;s easier said than done, of course, but horseplayers are only a trifecta, superfecta, pick three, pick four, or pick six away from a windfall.

What I&#039;d like to see: Most money wagered on horse races in North America is bet into exotics pools.  For price sensitive customers, how about fixed-odds win wagering with a 10-12% takeout?  (It CAN be done, according to this column: http://www.harnesstracks.com/2007DRF/drfjanuary102007.htm).  Those who would rather aim for a windfall score could continue to bet into the exotic pools, and tracks could keep those takeout rates higher.  I think this would be a good compromise between the price-sensitive horseplayers and track management/horsemen who are worried that drastic takeout cuts would negatively effect their bottom lines.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read.  Here are some additional stumbling blocks racing faces: </p>
<p>1. Racing currently cannot compete with what I believe to be its closest competitors&#8211;poker and sports betting&#8211;on price.  All things equal, wouldn&#8217;t a rational consumer rather bet into a pot with a 5-10% rake, or bet with a bookie with a 10% vig?</p>
<p>2. Expert horseplayers stress the importance of &#8220;value&#8221;, but fixed odds on horse races aren&#8217;t available to North American bettors.  A card sharp can calculate what the pot odds are and determine whether or not calling would be a sound bet.  A sports bettor knows he is getting four points or odds of +130.  A horseplayer, however, might think a horse has a one-in-three chance of winning and will make a wager on a horse at 5-2 because he thinks he is getting &#8220;value&#8221;, but might see the price plummet to 8-5 after the last round of money comes in.  At that price, the bettor is destined to lose money in the long run.</p>
<p>Perhaps racing&#8217;s biggest advantage over those two forms of gambling is how easy (RELATIVELY SPEAKING) to make a large or even life-changing score.  While it is possible to have a windfall score in poker and sports betting, each race provides the chance to make a big hit.  It&#8217;s easier said than done, of course, but horseplayers are only a trifecta, superfecta, pick three, pick four, or pick six away from a windfall.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;d like to see: Most money wagered on horse races in North America is bet into exotics pools.  For price sensitive customers, how about fixed-odds win wagering with a 10-12% takeout?  (It CAN be done, according to this column: <a href="http://www.harnesstracks.com/2007DRF/drfjanuary102007.htm)" rel="nofollow">http://www.harnesstracks.com/2007DRF/drfjanuary102007.htm)</a>.  Those who would rather aim for a windfall score could continue to bet into the exotic pools, and tracks could keep those takeout rates higher.  I think this would be a good compromise between the price-sensitive horseplayers and track management/horsemen who are worried that drastic takeout cuts would negatively effect their bottom lines.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: JRP</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-97</link>
		<dc:creator>JRP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-97</guid>
		<description>Dean,

Very well reasoned and thought-through. I have been trying to sell to friends in the business a new handicapping paradigm that dovetails nicely into your message. Perhaps we should talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean,</p>
<p>Very well reasoned and thought-through. I have been trying to sell to friends in the business a new handicapping paradigm that dovetails nicely into your message. Perhaps we should talk.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: YourHost</title>
		<link>http://www.r2collective.com/content/2010/01/03/positioning-racing-perhaps-for-the-first-time/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>YourHost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 15:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.r2collective.com/?p=376#comment-96</guid>
		<description>How can I contribute?  I live in Saratoga Springs, I have a lifelong commitment to the Sport, and I have the time to assist in some of the R2 Collective goals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can I contribute?  I live in Saratoga Springs, I have a lifelong commitment to the Sport, and I have the time to assist in some of the R2 Collective goals.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
